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[Qowy]

Postlimit.

Go on

For now I will continue using the old exe with LAA enabled no CTD or pink Textures since then.
Plenty of them before

Edited by Qowy, 21 November 2011 - 04:35 PM.

[Daihau]

Oh not this again. Can't you just wait and see what'll happen and what Bethsoft will do, instead of letting the flames of Trogdor spew all over the place?

[Revolltio]

Again: it seems to be that beth doesnt made this patch. Its from steam to force people to use drm nothing more, because the gameversion is the same. So we should maybe flame in the steam forum.

Edit: Because Qowy forgot - this was thread nr. 1

Edited by Revolltio, 21 November 2011 - 04:39 PM.

[Thoros Fjord'son]

It's entirely possible that whoever is responsible for this update had no awareness of the (completely unauthorized, 3rd party) fix that a limited amount of their playerbase were using.

But I'm sure if enough people make noise about this issue, it'll be addressed.

IT ANNOYS ME THAT FOLKS KEEP TELLING THAT WE SPEAK ABOUT A 3RD PARTY APP DO YER HOMEWORK ALREADY OR STOP TALKING GIBBERISH-> http://en.wikipedia..../X86-64#Windows

C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0\VC\bin\editbin.exe /LARGEADDRESSAWARE TESV.exe

Patch done ready to distribute Bethsoft...

Guess what is used to compile TES? So how could we stop using that "3rd Party App" called WINDOWS if it is a requirement for Skyrim to be able to play it eh? Care to explain? (Again do your homework and check your Skyrim folder and then maybe just maybe find that folder called VCRedist which could give you a hint...)

[WhiteZero]

Look on the bright side: The PS3 players don't have to feel as lonely in dealing with their mountain of issues.

Come together... right now... over bugs...

IT ANNOYS ME THAT FOLKS KEEP TELLING THAT WE SPEAK ABOUT A 3RD PARTY APP DO YER HOMEWORK ALREADY OR STOP TALKING GIBBERISH-

3rd party relative to Bethsoft, in other words, not a tool they provided. But I see what you mean, it's a general fix provided by trusted parties.

Edited by WhiteZero, 21 November 2011 - 04:39 PM.

[Caelistas]

Lol, was just about to create one myself.

[Locut0s]

As for LAA

From wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64

"
Ability to run existing 32-bit applications (.exe programs) and dynamic link libraries (.dlls) using WoW64. Furthermore, a 32-bit program, if it was linked with the "large address aware" option,[52] can use up to 4 GB of virtual address space in 64-bit Windows, instead of the default 2 GB (optional 3 GB with /3GB boot option and "large address aware" link option) offered by 32-bit Windows.[56] Unlike the use of the /3GB boot option on x86, this does not reduce the kernel-mode virtual-address space available to the operating system. 32-bit applications can therefore benefit from running on x64 Windows even if they are not recompiled for x86-64.
"

Sounds to me like it will help if you have 64bit ver of Windows. Otherwise no.

[ElderDruid]

Oh not this again. Can't you just wait and see what'll happen and what Bethsoft will do, instead of letting the flames of Trogdor spew all over the place?

How can any of us assume that Beth will fix anything?

I mean, if you unintentionally created major problems for a ton of your users with a stealth patch, don't you think an official "our bad, please be patient while we correct this" statement should be issued?

[quiksilvr]

reposting

Okay, I've gone ahead and made some changes to the source (COMPLETELY UNTESTED!), the source and compiled version are here http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MBBKAPTJ

Anyone that can test this please let me know if it works. It relies on the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Bethesda Softworks\Skyrim registry key pointing to your game directory. If it doesn't exist, the tool will probably give an error. Also, please use with caution as I haven't tested it and have no idea if it works or not. Make a backup of your TESV.exe before you use it!

posting this here in case people want to test it. 64 bit version.

One person's test:

Well the game runs fine with your 4gb enabler, and it shows TESV.4gb running in taskmanager, and when i check that file i can see it's LAA flag is set....however my game is only using 1gb of ram atm so it's hard to tell if it's actually working...haha

[xAsianZombie]

Postlimit.

Go on

For now I will continue using the old exe with LAA enabled no CTD or pink Textures since then.
Plenty of them before

Where did you get the old .exe?

EDIT:. nvm, dont answer that...

Edited by xAsianZombie, 21 November 2011 - 04:40 PM.

[Donau]

Occupy Whiterun

[quiksilvr]

Here's the thread to report your crashes:

http://forums.bethso...during-gameplay

if you're feeling angry.

Edited by quiksilvr, 21 November 2011 - 04:41 PM.

[Reeven]

The same thing that was done for New Vegas will be done for Skyrim: an utility that lets Steam confirm the official .exe, pauses Steam, enables large address awareness, then lets Steam resume and launch the game none the wiser. Just give it time. Stop panicking.

Edited by Reeven, 21 November 2011 - 04:42 PM.

[Daihau]

How can any of us assume that Beth will fix anything?

I mean, if you unintentionally created major problems for a ton of your users with a stealth patch, don't you think an official "our bad, please be patient while we correct this" statement should be issued?

How can any of us assume they wont? Maybe they're working hard on it and don't have time to issue a statement. Maybe they didn't even see it coming? What DO you know in this situation? You know your game may or may not run because of added DRM. That's all.

[Qowy]

As for LAA

From wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64

"
Ability to run existing 32-bit applications (.exe programs) and dynamic link libraries (.dlls) using WoW64. Furthermore, a 32-bit program, if it was linked with the "large address aware" option,[52] can use up to 4 GB of virtual address space in 64-bit Windows, instead of the default 2 GB (optional 3 GB with /3GB boot option and "large address aware" link option) offered by 32-bit Windows.[56] Unlike the use of the /3GB boot option on x86, this does not reduce the kernel-mode virtual-address space available to the operating system. 32-bit applications can therefore benefit from running on x64 Windows even if they are not recompiled for x86-64.
"

Sounds to me like it will help if you have 64bit ver of Windows. Otherwise no.

It helps on 32bit windows if you boot it with the /3GB option

However this creates a crapload of issues since windows will be restricted to 1GB memory and it is only feasible with more than 3GB of ram which is difficult on 32bit Windows.

HOWEVER:
If you do not have /3GB enabled on windows boot (and next to no one has) a LAA enabled exe behaves exactly as a normal one.
So no reason to not set it by default

HECK IT'S NOT LIKE WE ARE ASKING FOR AN 64bit EXECUTABLE -.-

Edited by Qowy, 21 November 2011 - 04:44 PM.

[Jim_UK]

How can any of us assume they wont? Maybe they're working hard on it and don't have time to issue a statement. Maybe they didn't even see it coming? What DO you know in this situation? You know your game may or may not run because of added DRM. That's all.

They've had nearly ten years to fix the CTD problem, I think it's safe to say we won't be seeing a fix for that any time soon.

[Daihau]

They've had nearly ten years to fix the CTD problem, I think it's safe to say we won't be seeing a fix for that any time soon.

If you're playing a BethSoft game and expecting no CTD's within a week of release, you're being silly. Suffice to say. Would you rather it have been pushed back?

Edited by Daihau, 21 November 2011 - 04:45 PM.

[sdfsdafcas]

Look on the bright side: The PS3 players don't have to feel as lonely in dealing with their mountain of issues.

Come together... right now... over bugs...

Yay, lets all go flame the forums together until they release a patch that actually fixes problems, which was after all the classical meaning of the word "patch" in case anyone remembers.

[generalnmx]

Someone already re-compiled the FalloutNV 4GB Launcher in case you don't want to illegally download someone else's TESV.exe -- http://forums.bethso...st__p__19388645

[McCleud]

One thing that's funny and of the (now hundreds) of damn pages I've read, not a single person ever mentioned the fact LAA has been around in tool form for a VERY long time, probably most notably known as 4gb_patch.exe used for a ton of games. It came to be because having direct access to compilers and link tools is the exception not the rule since not everyone writes code. Anyway just had to mention it because I would certainly expect at-least one engineer at Bethesda is very aware of this and yet didn't do anything apparently during the design and war stage to try and include it as a default for the release.

[quiksilvr]

Someone already re-compiled the FalloutNV 4GB Launcher in case you don't want to illegally download someone else's TESV.exe -- http://forums.bethso...st__p__19388645

It's not illegal to download it if you bought the game. Don't say things if you don't know what they mean.

Edited by quiksilvr, 21 November 2011 - 04:49 PM.

[sniperdoc]

It helps on 32bit windows if you boot it with the /3GB option

However this creates a crapload of issues since windows will be restricted to 1GB memory and it is only feasible with more than 3GB of ram which is difficult on 32bit Windows.

HOWEVER:
If you do not have /3GB enabled on windows boot (and next to no one has) a LAA enabled exe behaves exactly as a normal one.
So no reason to not set it by default

HECK IT'S NOT LIKE WE ARE ASKING FOR AN 64bit EXECUTABLE -.-

For those needing to know more about the /3GB option and IMAGE_FILE_LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE header:
http://blogs.technet...ifying-3gb.aspx

[Jim_UK]

If you're playing a BethSoft game and expecting no CTD's within a week of release, you're being silly. Suffice to say. Would you rather it have been pushed back?

Their games have had this problem since Morrowind, that was nearly ten years ago. Anyway since using the LAA fix I've not had one CTD, with this update they've broken the very thing that fixed the game.

[WhiteZero]

Yay, lets all go flame the forums together until they release a patch that actually fixes problems, which was after all the classical meaning of the word "patch" in case anyone remembers.

Well it's certainly not very constructive to just have a torrent of posts saying "omfg Bethesda, you ruined my game on purpose!!11!

[Angry Eeyore]

I hope steam gets hacked again. Greedy morons.

[Martigen]

The same thing that was done for New Vegas will be done for Skyrim: an utility that lets Steam confirm the official .exe, pauses Steam, enables large address awareness, then lets Steam resume and launch the game none the wiser. Just give it time. Stop panicking.

This shouldn't be necessary (in the first place).

As stated in the other thread, not only it is very simple for Beth to make the .exe LAA aware and distribute it, there's no reason not do so. It provides stability for the majority of users while having no impact on systems that can't take advantage of the larger address space. Everybody wins.

[Kaspar]

Just applied the patch reset the ini's reset in game graphics and re-editied the Prefs.ini. Don't seem to be having any major issues with getting the game to load and run. But then again after 39 hours of gameplay I haven't had anything game breaking happen, other than the initial 192KHz bug and a one time freeze up Task Manager exit. Pretty great gaming experience for the first week I'd say. Perhaps I'm just lucky and too easy going.

Obligatory Grrrr!

Edited by Kaspar, 21 November 2011 - 04:51 PM.

[Thoros Fjord'son]

As for LAA

Sounds to me like it will help if you have 64bit ver of Windows. Otherwise no.

But as far as I know it won't hurt 32bit users if LAA is enabled but help those with 64bit and enough RAM.
@ WhiteZero:
Yeah I have written that on page 3-4 of the old topic and folks kept repeating it is an unauth'ed 3rd party tool so I used bold text this time nothing personal
It really is just a small flag which can be set I know for example Dead Island is a Steam game which has LAA enabled and requirement for that game is 1gb RAM (though I never tested if it is always enabled like when you install on a machine with only 1gb of RAM)

[WhiteZero]

I hope steam gets hacked again. Greedy morons.

I love how relevant your username is right now. Don't bother applying any logic, just RAGE.

[Daihau]

Their games have had this problem since Morrowind, that was nearly ten years ago. Anyway since using the LAA fix I've not had one CTD, with this update they've broken the very thing that fixed the game.

Totally on purpose, right?

Well it's certainly not very constructive to just have a torrent of posts saying "omfg Bethesda, you ruined my game on purpose!!11!

The truth.

I hope steam gets hacked again. Greedy morons.

OH MAN, that'll fix EVERYTHING! Man. I never thought of that.